Godly Sorrow
By maddy
12/21/2013 12:09:45 PM
What does Godly sorrow mean to you? I've been thinking about this a lot lately and wondering what your thoughts are, my friends.

Ezra Taft Benson said that Godly sorrow is a gift of the Spirit. That makes sense to me, but it is hard to describe. I guess that means that Godly sorrow is actually a form of hope....and maybe even joy. Ironic, huh?



Same as    
"I think it's the same thing as a mighty change of heart, being born (again) of the spirit, receiving the Holy Ghost, becoming one of "those that mourn," etc. It's that moment when you stop being sorry because your life stinks, because other people see your mistakes, and because you're not perfect, and you start accepting responsibility for your choices and feel sorry for how they affect God and others, not how they affect you. I think it's depicted in the story of Adam and Eve. First, they were ashamed of their transgression, and they wanted to hide so no one would discover their secret. That's the wrong kind of sorrow, in which we think only of ourselves and how to save face and still appear like the perfect Pharisaical Mormon. Adam and Eve showed godly sorrow simply by stepping out from their hiding place for God to see and admitting openly their mistake, sorry that they had disappointed God, but knowing he is good and merciful.

That's what came to my mind when you brought it up. But what are your thoughts?"
posted at 22:26:38 on December 21, 2013 by beclean
Man, Beclean    
"Someday I want to have a Sunday School lesson with all you guys. Seriously, beclean, I have never thought about Adam and Eve that way. And I love the phrase pharisaical Mormon. Spot on....that is so me.

I read this interesting article about pope francis recently (I really like that guy) and here was a neat section in it about being a sinner.

"The literally heart-breaking experience:
This is the reason Pope Francis calls himself a sinner. It is the reason he speaks so relentlessly about mercy. It is because he knows what all women and men who live deeply an Ignatian life know, that God’s mercy reframes our interpretation of everything, institutions included. It does so because, having understood the joy of being wrong, we have learned to hold our own plans loosely so as to be better lead by God. This is what St. Ignatius means by another of his famous spiritual terms, “indifference,” he means the ability to be lead by God into the previously unimaginable. The ability to do a new thing. The ability to let mercy be more fundamental than any plans or theo-political categories.

It’s this triptych of mercy-sin-indifference that, I think, makes Francis seem so strange and so attractive to us. It’s also why he’s able to get free of the need to provide immediate answers to the kind of sincerely important issues that Hunt and Allen and others raise. And it’s how he can seem both so politically naive and astute at the same time. All of these things are possible because Pope Francis knows himself as a loved sinner, as a follower of the one who is actually setting the direction for our pilgrim church.

It’s because he knows himself to be a loved sinner that he is able to, again and again, throw a wrench of mercy into the gears through which we grind our world’s information. It’s not that he doesn’t care about change, or institutional reform, or theo-political structures, or the mobilization of the Catholic middle –actually, yes it is. He doesn’t care about any of those things in themselves. Or, more accurately, he only cares about them indifferently, only when the God who shows sinners mercy also cares about them first.

All this to say that Pope Francis is simply not playing by the rules of the game as we know them. He’s not keeping score, not tallying up points on one side or another of a Vatican 2 “continuity vs. discontinuity” argument. Neither does he have some secret plan to reform doctrine (or to pacify the prophets among us with his charm). He simply doesn’t care about any of that. He only cares about proclaiming God’s merciful love for sinners, and letting everything else everything follow from that. This is how he is cutting the Gordian knot of our furiously divided theo-political discourse.

It sounds naive, doesn’t it, laid out like this. And it would be if it wasn’t working. If there weren’t so many signs that the mercy and indifference of Pope Francis is actually helping us to stop believing that we already have all the answers, already know the plan that would save the church, this world, ourselves, if only others would do what we know to be right.

It would be naive if his relentless proclamation of mercy wasn’t letting us know it’s okay to be wrong, okay to be led by another. That it’s okay to cast mercy into the teeth of the gears we use to grind out our interpretations of the world, force them to stop turning and let our heads lift up for a moment to see where God is already at work.""
posted at 07:54:30 on December 22, 2013 by Maddy
"That brings about change"
posted at 10:05:00 on December 22, 2013 by Anonymous
President Uchtdorf quote from "You can do it now" talk    
"The Apostle Paul taught that “godly sorrow worketh repentance to salvation … but the sorrow of the world worketh death.”3 Godly sorrow inspires change and hope through the Atonement of Jesus Christ. Worldly sorrow pulls us down, extinguishes hope, and persuades us to give in to further temptation.

Godly sorrow leads to conversion4 and a change of heart.5 It causes us to hate sin and love goodness.6 It encourages us to stand up and walk in the light of Christ’s love. True repentance is about transformation, not torture or torment. Yes, heartfelt regret and true remorse for disobedience are often painful and very important steps in the sacred process of repentance. But when guilt leads to self-loathing or prevents us from rising up again, it is impeding rather than promoting our repentance."
posted at 15:42:54 on December 22, 2013 by BillW
Godly, sorrow.    
"His sheep know his voice. Is it in the sorrow? Am I more God like in my sorrow? Godly...

I've started and restarted like 4 responses to this. Elaborate ones. But that's really what it is to me. It's not the sorrowing of the damned as Mormon (Moroni?) speeks of. But the redeemed. The faith filled. The Godly. I know the difference within myself."
posted at 20:33:52 on December 25, 2013 by they_speak
God's sorrow    
"My husband and I talked about the same thing: Godly sorrow could easily be described as the sorrow God experiences. The pain he feels when we sin and when we come to understand it then we too feel it. The interesting thing for me is if we see what God's see and we see our sins the way He sees them....we would never, ever be without hope. He sees everything in the perfect shades of hope and salvation. If we experience Godly sorrow then we also experience Godly hope."
posted at 08:03:04 on December 27, 2013 by Maddy
posted at 18:42:44 on August 31, 2014 by maddy
Godly sorrow    
"Is painful, but it is a wonderful gift. It's how I've become humble enough to change. Teachable. The process has been very slow. I celebrate even small milestones. I may be moving slow, but I'm m moving :-)"
posted at 06:18:59 on September 6, 2014 by Anonymous

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